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Post by Thumper Moore III on Dec 3, 2020 2:01:54 GMT -5
*SPOILERS AHEAD*
What a show. Two incredible things happened:
*LAST CHANCE: SPOILERS AHEAD. DON’T SAY I DIDN’T WARN YOU.
1. The Icon is All Elite. I had something to do tonight and didn’t get home till after ten, so I watched the West Coast feed (thanks, Hulu!) and a few minutes past midnight, I gasped so loudly I woke up my wife. Freaking Sting was on TNT for the first time in almost 19 years, and Schiavone’s call was what every 40 year old who grew up on WCW felt in that moment.
2. The Jacksonville Screwjob happened. Your new AEW World Champ, Kenny Omega, is currently in an SUV with Don Calis headed to wherever Impact Wrestling is taping. What’s Lenny Alpha doing in the Impact Zone? Find out TUESDAY.
Here I was thinking that AEW was doing a nice thing by letting Thunder Rosa defend the NWA Women’s Title on Dynamite, and it looks like Tony Khan’s plan for world domination is to partner with all the other promotions to compete with WWE. Mark Dec 2, 2020 on your own personal Wayback Machine— this is a night that changed the business.
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Post by Dyno on Dec 3, 2020 6:47:31 GMT -5
Watching now (at Omega/Mox), I spoiled it by accident (damn Facebook) but it was still great seeing Sting appear.
I don't get whatever they are doing with Impact. Impact is nowhere near the level of AEW, NXT and certainly not WWE etc so unless AEW dominate like they have with the plastic toy NWA women's title it will just further the perception that AEW is "just another indy promotion but with money" sadly.
Omega winning the title was the right time even though I'm no fan of his at all - glorified show pony lol.
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Post by Dyno on Dec 3, 2020 6:50:01 GMT -5
I will say this though, since the NXT move to Tuesdays this is the first time I've watched Dynamite before NXT. And that's not because of anything NXT is doing wrong (it's consistently putting on better shows than AEW week after week IMO) but I wanted to see Sting and I wanted to see the Mox/Omega match.
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Post by Thumper Moore III on Dec 3, 2020 11:41:04 GMT -5
It’s all going to make sense when the much ballyhooed “third hour” of AEW turns out to be Impact on TNT every Tuesday night. Impact gets far more out of this than AEW. The only way it makes business sense is if AEW has already purchased Impact.
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Post by Slashmaster on Dec 3, 2020 16:34:29 GMT -5
It is completely insane that coming out of this episode the biggest news isn't that there has been a world title change or that Sting debuted, but that AEW and Impact now have a working relationship.
Just being associated with AEW will be great for Impact, but AEW now gets access to one of the best women's divisions in pro-wrestling and a whole lot of archive footage.
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Post by Duke Mongoose on Dec 3, 2020 19:00:24 GMT -5
I was unaware that in AEW you have 10 MINUTES to get back in the ring before getting counted out, not 10 seconds. And before anyone says "well, it's for the title" or "referee leniency" or "they do this in Japan all the time" I'd like to point out that this is NOT Japan and being for the title is no excuse for the referee just not doing their job.
Of course Moxley got busted open. It's like he has to do it. It's time for an intervention.
Aside from those issues, I thought the rest of the match was fine. Personally not a fan of the Impact crossover because this is another case of AEW playing to a niche audience instead of the broader scope of potential viewers. Case in point - we don't get the channel Impact is on in my area on any cable provider. I couldn't watch it if I wanted to. I don't know how many homes AXS TV is in in the USA, but it's got to be significantly less that TNT or USA. I honestly don't see how this is going to help AEW look better in any way.
I thought the rest of the show was decent, Baker vs. Hirsch was good because Layla Hirsch is secretly awesome. Not sure why the Inner Circle angle seems to be already coming to an end though. Did Jericho run out of goofy ideas?
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Post by Thumper Moore III on Dec 4, 2020 13:12:10 GMT -5
It’s going to be available on Twitch as well, but I’m not signing up for another entire PLATFORM to watch a show I wouldn’t be that interested in except for something I saw on another show.
Slash, you’re right. The women’s division and tape library are huge. Having access to all of Kaz, Daniels, and Generation Me is a big get so they can run career retrospectives, run film of Kaz pinning Okada if they get a NJPW relationship going, etc.
And Yuppie... as the resident AEW apologist... maybe the ref was using a sundial for his count, and since it was night, it didn’t work? Seriously, why have rules at all if they’re not even going to hint at enforcing them?
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Post by Duke Mongoose on Dec 4, 2020 14:50:57 GMT -5
And Yuppie... as the resident AEW apologist... maybe the ref was using a sundial for his count, and since it was night, it didn’t work? Seriously, why have rules at all if they’re not even going to hint at enforcing them? AEW needs to decide whether they're going to have standard wrestling rules like pretty much every other wrestling company in America, or they need to just be like ECW and come out and say that there are no rules. What they're doing now only serves to bury any authority the referees might have, and even JR and Tony tear into the referees on commentary because they're basically useless. I understand what they're TRYING to do because I know that the rules are a lot more lax over in Japan where The Elite did most of their work, but it's just not clicking. |
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Post by Skullgore on Dec 4, 2020 23:45:31 GMT -5
Re: the consistency of rules, Aubrey Edwards pitched making an official AEW rulebook to Tony Khan and she is now part of a team that is putting it together. She talked about it on her Talk Is Jericho appearance earlier this year.
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Post by Shock Pillman on Dec 5, 2020 14:25:59 GMT -5
Sad to see Sting pissing away his legacy
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Post by Dark Mauler on Dec 5, 2020 15:19:13 GMT -5
Sad to see Sting pissing away his legacy Honestly, I'd say Sting in WWE or Joker Sting in TNA was more Sting "pissing away his legacy" than this. |
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Post by Slashmaster on Dec 5, 2020 16:51:03 GMT -5
Sad to see Sting pissing away his legacy Honestly, I'd say Sting in WWE or Joker Sting in TNA was more Sting "pissing away his legacy" than this. Or losing to Trips on his debut and then getting injured in his next match, only to be shoved to the side and never be mentioned again. I think he just wants to end his career on his terms and give the shine to an up-and-comer. |
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Post by Duke Mongoose on Dec 6, 2020 10:36:56 GMT -5
Re: the consistency of rules, Aubrey Edwards pitched making an official AEW rulebook to Tony Khan and she is now part of a team that is putting it together. She talked about it on her Talk Is Jericho appearance earlier this year. I hope this is true. I imagine Tony Khan would take it seriously, unlike Vince McMahon who famously told Steve Keirn to write the pro wrestling rule book and then when he got it he threw it away without reading it. |
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Post by Skullgore on Dec 6, 2020 16:46:44 GMT -5
She talked about it being something they’d put online for free. The idea is every fan should be able to access it. It was her idea and everything I’ve read/heard suggests her input is valuable to the company. Her official title aside from refereeing is “Project Coordinator” so it seems like it is the kind of thing they had in mind when they gave that to her.
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Post by Duke Mongoose on Dec 7, 2020 12:36:44 GMT -5
Having an official rule book is a good step, but getting the workers to actually follow it is going to be the hard part. Hell, even on WWE Kofi Kingston and Shelton Benjamin got shoot counted out and those guys are veterans.
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