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Post by primetime21 on Jan 29, 2021 14:58:52 GMT -5
It really depends what you're looking for. Comparing the periods is hard as they are so different. What I would say is that the actual wrestling was very different and whilst I enjoyed it in the 80's and early 90's the actual in ring product was worse. Look at Steamboat vs Savage at Wrestlemania III. This is often lauded as one of the greatest matches of all time however I would say any recent episode of AEW Dynamite would have better actual matches in it. There was more psychology in that match there has been probably been in every AEW match put together. I'm not a fan of AEW; spotfests that you become numb to after a while, like watching a Michael Bay movie. The wrestling in NXT is so much better it's not even funny. I get why some people like it but not for me.
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Post by dazzer on Jan 29, 2021 17:03:13 GMT -5
It really depends what you're looking for. Comparing the periods is hard as they are so different. What I would say is that the actual wrestling was very different and whilst I enjoyed it in the 80's and early 90's the actual in ring product was worse. Look at Steamboat vs Savage at Wrestlemania III. This is often lauded as one of the greatest matches of all time however I would say any recent episode of AEW Dynamite would have better actual matches in it. There was more psychology in that match there has been probably been in every AEW match put together. I'm not a fan of AEW; spotfests that you become numb to after a while, like watching a Michael Bay movie. The wrestling in NXT is so much better it's not even funny. I get why some people like it but not for me. And that's the beauty of life, people like different things. I've tried to enjoy the Steamboat/Savage match but I find it poor. Psychology means nothing if you don't enjoy the action (and I don't think it's great in any case). The actual ring work is not good and that's clear. If you enjoy it fine, that's up to you, I happen to think it's pretty dull.
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Post by dazzer on Jan 29, 2021 17:05:57 GMT -5
It really depends what you're looking for. Comparing the periods is hard as they are so different. What I would say is that the actual wrestling was very different and whilst I enjoyed it in the 80's and early 90's the actual in ring product was worse. Look at Steamboat vs Savage at Wrestlemania III. This is often lauded as one of the greatest matches of all time however I would say any recent episode of AEW Dynamite would have better actual matches in it. U joking? Not even a little bit. It's not a good match. It's dull, slow and not to my taste. Plus I had no connection with either character which certainly doesn't help. I actually like Savage but find Steamboat massively overated.
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Post by primetime21 on Jan 29, 2021 20:44:51 GMT -5
Not even a little bit. It's not a good match. It's dull, slow and not to my taste. Plus I had no connection with either character which certainly doesn't help. I actually like Savage but find Steamboat massively overated. I respect (although disagree) with your opinion. But that's maybe where you miss watching then. There was a huge backstory of Steamboat having his "larynx crushed" and his comeback from that which really gave you a strong connection to him and his character. I can't even imagine what the match would be like otherwise since that's permanently part of the match for me.
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Post by Shock Pillman on Jan 30, 2021 8:01:43 GMT -5
Not even a little bit. It's not a good match. It's dull, slow and not to my taste. Plus I had no connection with either character which certainly doesn't help. I actually like Savage but find Steamboat massively overated. Watch Steamboat vs Flair from 88 and tell me he's overated the first 6 star match before your beloved Kenny Olvier Ricky Steamboat had more talent than all of AEW's roster even Cawdy midcard Rhodes
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Post by Hotshot Carston Hardcover on Jan 30, 2021 9:17:58 GMT -5
Savage/Steamboat was a great match but it’s not even close to the greatest mania match. Might not even crack the top 10 anymore. Definitely behind Hart/Austin and both Taker/Michaels matches and I would argue Hart/Piper was a better match too. Even matches like Hogan/Warrior and Hogan/Rock. They definitely were heavy storytelling and little work but those matches had more emotion and meaning then Savage/Steamboat. But I do think Savage/Steamboat is better than any match from the last 10 years.
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Post by dazzer on Jan 30, 2021 18:56:18 GMT -5
Not even a little bit. It's not a good match. It's dull, slow and not to my taste. Plus I had no connection with either character which certainly doesn't help. I actually like Savage but find Steamboat massively overated. Watch Steamboat vs Flair from 88 and tell me he's overated the first 6 star match before your beloved Kenny Olvier Ricky Steamboat had more talent than all of AEW's roster even Cawdy midcard Rhodes I've watched multiple Steamboat/Flair matches and nothing is 6 star! But opinions are just that. You enjoy them and good on you, I think he's overrated my opinion. Apologies it's not the same as yours.
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Post by Duke Mongoose on Feb 1, 2021 12:43:02 GMT -5
I'd have to find the DVD buried in a box somewhere, but one of the greatest wrestling matches I ever saw was Colt Cabana vs. Nigel McGuinness from ROH in a match where I think there was only one bump and it was the finish. A clinic on how to do wrestling without killing yourselves. Obviously other people might watch it and hate it but that's how opinions work.
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Post by johnny3 on Feb 1, 2021 23:05:48 GMT -5
Dang, johnny3 that's eerily similar to my experience. My brothers and I would often make a weekend of watching old WWF pay-per-views, reenacting favorite matches, and built a real affinity for that late 80s early 90s intercontinental/tag-scene (Steiners, Smoking Guns, Tatanka & Mr. Perfect esp.). I actually have a soft spot for that "New Generation" era prior to Attitude, DX and Austin actually turned me off, and while I liked the NWO wars, I checked out after the "Fingerpoke of Doom". But pandemic has brought me back in. Very similar indeed. I liked the New Gen era over attitude too. The main event level guys were always good. Hart, Michaels, Taker etc. were phenomenal. I felt like the midcard got worse as the 90’s went on until guys like Duke the Dumpster Drosey were far too populous. Once Hart left my interest started waning. It’s funny, Bret wasn’t really my favorite at the time, but looking back he had SO many great matches; him & Michaels, Owen, Bulldog, and of course the classic double turn with Austin. Guys now are phenomenally skilled and athletic but they just don’t have the mentality they had back then.
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Post by Penguino on Feb 16, 2022 17:11:22 GMT -5
I first got into wrestling in like early attitude era and I loved all the top guys even a little bit before that. I watched WCW only for a few guys that left WWE and others like bret hart Hulk Hogan ric flair the NWO completely. and then there was my favorite WWE I loved them from like '96 and kept that till like '13 because after the shield broke up I was upset and then the rollins push did good until they did the two belt thing with trip and then the sting feud was cool and all and then that was a great mania and dx came back and all that crap. BUT THEN they did a full 180 degree turn then it was roman roman roman not losing a match for two years holding the belt for a new absolutely massive record every time he lost it for five seconds and they did the worlds stupidest thing. They took the worlds worst rumble from '99 and turned that into 2016's rumble. and the rumble match was great. Until Roman was still in the match but out cold and AJ was gone the we all new what was going to happen.
I still watch WWE and I watch AEW I watch AEW cause it's cool I watch WWE for Drew, AJ, Rolling and his stupid laugh, KO, Brock, whenever the hell Cena comes, and maybe the Rock having a good comeback against Roman. but thats really all thats left in me for wrestling right no
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