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Post by Papa Chopper on Oct 19, 2022 12:34:37 GMT -5
I had little else to do one of these days so I figured I'd try to compute how much of Wrestlemania we could effectively "recreate" in 80MW...so here's the skinny: The numbers are calculated as a percentage of how many of the actual people involved in the matches that took place are represented the game itself. match-rep: considers all the matches title rap: considers only title matches main-rep: considers only the main-event matches Parameters: - Only wrestlemanias up until 2000 (inclusive) were analyzed. - Only the actual wrestlers were counted (not managers, valet's, special guests etc.) - Wrestlers who appear under different gimmicks are counted as each provided 80WM has them at least once (we can use our imaginations at least that far). - Consider a margin of error of around 5%. Event match-rep title-rep main-rep
WM1 59,09% 71,43% 75,00% WM2 56,52% 80,00% 87,50%*there was one "main event" per venue. WM3 67,50% 100,00% 100,00% WM4 62,50% 100,00% 100,00% WM5 64,10% 66,67% 100,00% WM6 72,22% 100,00% 100,00% WM7 66,67% 75,00% 100,00% WM8 63,33% 87,50% 100,00% WM9 63,64% 90,00% 100,00% WM10 53,85% 66,67% 100,00% WM11 72,22% 87,50% 50,00% WM12 68,18% 100,00% 100,00% WM13 61,54% 87,50% 100,00% WM14 63,64% 75,00% 100,00% WM15 38,30% 43,75% 100,00% WM16 29,55% 20,59% 100,00% Conclusions:
- We'll probably never get a completely represented show cos a lot the shows had either jobbers or guys too low and restricted to possibly ever become candidates.
- It just goes to show the incredible amount of coverage that the game offers for fans of that time period!
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Post by thejd44 on Oct 28, 2022 19:30:52 GMT -5
If you wanted, you could just pretend The Blitz is Lawrence Taylor to recreate WM11. Obviously not the same thing, but a good enough placeholder.
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Post by Smash on Oct 30, 2022 8:30:27 GMT -5
Great post!
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Post by Gunslinger on Nov 8, 2022 22:44:52 GMT -5
Well done
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Post by Gunslinger on Nov 8, 2022 22:46:51 GMT -5
If you wanted, you could just pretend The Blitz is Lawrence Taylor to recreate WM11. Obviously not the same thing, but a good enough placeholder. So would this mean The Blitz could Wrestle 19 other Blitzes and would could just call it the NFL Battle Royal too? 🤔 |
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Post by Gunslinger on Nov 8, 2022 22:57:38 GMT -5
We'll probably never get a completely represented show cos a lot the shows had either jobbers or guys too low and restricted to possibly ever become candidates. Still surprised we haven't gotten an 80s "The Loser" Larry Bernstein/ 90s "The Winner" Larry Bernstein (With a bedazzled hand print on the front of his vest), along with a "Steel" Mark Point in black trucks and a single, black leather forearm piece laced on one arm. REAL MEN OF GENIUSSSSS, We salute you Mr Wrestling Jobber of the 80s. The men who built their bodies just to let other men beat them down and make them look pathetic. The men who had most of the real talent to take real bumps just to put over the guys that the regional bookers wanted to look like stars. The men who had to deal with stiff workers that could, and did, cause unneeded injury to them or treated them like they were only in the locker room for their frat boy hazing. Yes Mr Wrestling Jobber of the 80s, here's to you. |
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Post by Papa Chopper on Nov 16, 2022 15:24:29 GMT -5
Here is an update for you on those stats. I tallied up the numbers for the Big 4 PPVs starting at WMI and ending with SS00 and broke it down per year, per event and came up with averages for both decades (consolidated) and split into 80s and 90s. This really does show you how much great coverage the game offers:  Conclusions: - The Main Event and Title Match coverage for 80s and 90s Big 4 PPVs is kinda sick....practically 87% and 76%, respectively. (The match coverage hovers in the 50% range but that makes sense considering a lot of the lower card guys from said events wouldn't likley be strong candidates for inclusion). - For most PPVs there is better coverage in the 80s, but oddly enough The Royal Rumble has better coverage in ths 90s, which is clearly a combination of both there being more such events in the 90s itself, and the fact that bigger name players took part more regularly in the Rumble itself. - While I didn't get into the details of which wrestlers featured the most...a handful of names, who are as of yet not represented in the game, did stand out somewhat, specifically Greg Valentine who was in most of the 80s PPvs and a few in the early 90s....as well as Jeff Jarrett who was seen in quite a bit of the 90s PPVs. If I can find my old Wrestling PPV Database on my drives I'll try to give you actual numbers on who was on the most at the time. Anyway...hope this tickles your brains somewhat...peace! |
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Post by Dyno on Nov 17, 2022 12:21:20 GMT -5
Yeah when I've done my "8MWR presents..." stuff where I've tried to replicate the cards from old WWF/WCW events the two people that stand out the most without an obvious tribute/parody are Valentine and Ja double R, e, double T as far as wrestler cards go (am desperate to see Jimmy Hart and Slick manager cards too - with the added bonus that if a manager is assigned to a faction, they can appear more than once on a card with those in the faction).
(As far as likeness goes I tend to use Vlad for 80s Valentine).
But lets look at potential cards for the pair:
Greg "The Hammer" Valentine Parody
1980-1999 / Tweener / MidCard / Rassler
(You could argue that his years could be reduced to 1984-1995, but hey ho)
Teams:
Pelvis Pressley
Studmuffin
Feuds:
Average Son
Juan Tijuana
Thumper Moore
Dobermans (with Studmuffin)
Potential Feuds if we get the relevant parody:
Bob Backlund
"Double J" Jeff Jarrett Parody
1989-1999 / Bad / Upper Midcard / Rassler
Teams:
Hotshot
Feuds:
Chicano
Jupiter Johnstone
Undermaster
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Post by primetime21 on Nov 17, 2022 17:04:39 GMT -5
Yeah when I've done my "8MWR presents..." stuff where I've tried to replicate the cards from old WWF/WCW events the two people that stand out the most without an obvious tribute/parody are Valentine and Ja double R, e, double T as far as wrestler cards go (am desperate to see Jimmy Hart and Slick manager cards too - with the added bonus that if a manager is assigned to a faction, they can appear more than once on a card with those in the faction). (As far as likeness goes I tend to use Vlad for 80s Valentine). But lets look at potential cards for the pair: Greg "The Hammer" Valentine Parody1980-1999 / Tweener / MidCard / Rassler (You could argue that his years could be reduced to 1984-1995, but hey ho) Teams:Pelvis Pressley Studmuffin Feuds:Average Son Juan Tijuana Thumper Moore Dobermans (with Studmuffin) Potential Feuds if we get the relevant parody:Bob Backlund "Double J" Jeff Jarrett Parody1989-1999 / Bad / Upper Midcard / Rassler Teams:Hotshot Feuds:Chicano Jupiter Johnstone Undermaster Greg Valentine feuded with Dustin Rhodes? I definitely don't remember that. I also don't remember a noteworthy JJ-Undertaker feud, but my memory's also not what it used to be. I'd also add to a potential JJ feud if the parody was ever released - Road Dogg (and honestly I'm surprised we haven't seen one yet--most if not all of DX is represented if you consider Billy Gunn's Smoking Gunn version). Love these concepts though. |
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Post by Dyno on Nov 17, 2022 17:46:22 GMT -5
Yeah when I've done my "8MWR presents..." stuff where I've tried to replicate the cards from old WWF/WCW events the two people that stand out the most without an obvious tribute/parody are Valentine and Ja double R, e, double T as far as wrestler cards go (am desperate to see Jimmy Hart and Slick manager cards too - with the added bonus that if a manager is assigned to a faction, they can appear more than once on a card with those in the faction). (As far as likeness goes I tend to use Vlad for 80s Valentine). But lets look at potential cards for the pair: Greg "The Hammer" Valentine Parody1980-1999 / Tweener / MidCard / Rassler (You could argue that his years could be reduced to 1984-1995, but hey ho) Teams:Pelvis Pressley Studmuffin Feuds:Average Son Juan Tijuana Thumper Moore Dobermans (with Studmuffin) Potential Feuds if we get the relevant parody:Bob Backlund "Double J" Jeff Jarrett Parody1989-1999 / Bad / Upper Midcard / Rassler Teams:Hotshot Feuds:Chicano Jupiter Johnstone Undermaster Greg Valentine feuded with Dustin Rhodes? I definitely don't remember that. I also don't remember a noteworthy JJ-Undertaker feud, but my memory's also not what it used to be. I'd also add to a potential JJ feud if the parody was ever released - Road Dogg (and honestly I'm surprised we haven't seen one yet--most if not all of DX is represented if you consider Billy Gunn's Smoking Gunn version). Love these concepts though. Valentine and Dustin had a few goings on in WCW. Jarrett was involved in attacks against 'Taker so it was a pretty loose add tbh lol. |
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Post by mistyterrain on Nov 18, 2022 8:08:41 GMT -5
Seems most of the feuds have to be more than a bit like that. Like Ace of Spades against HFK isn't a feud
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Post by Papa Chopper on Nov 18, 2022 18:52:20 GMT -5
Seems most of the feuds have to be more than a bit like that. Like Ace of Spades against HFK isn't a feud Would be nice to swing Mike Tyson out of a feud like that...he was a big deal in the 80s and 90s....Feuds might require an extra boxer card or two though... |
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Post by Papa Chopper on Feb 14, 2023 16:14:50 GMT -5
Coverage analysis UPDATE. - I finally got my 80sWM data into my WWE PPV results spreadsheet and now the calculations are pretty much automatic (at least the counts anyway, still got streamline a better way to get the percentages out cos I'm using a pivot table instead of a small database...but I'll make one if need be lol. - Some of the numbers will have changed, not only cos of the new additions, but because previously I had hand-counted the wrestlers so there were bound to be 3-4 mistakes...and there were lol. - The "main-rep" counts might be off here and there because I literally had to indicate who the main-eventers were by hand as my PPV spreadsheet didn't have that and my first few years I didn't quite put the matches in the correct order so I couldn't simply use my match# indicator. Anyway...jargon aside...here are the numbers:  Interesting tidbits: - On a pure "wrestlers who worked the PPV" criteria...the most "covered" PPV by 80sWM is....Summerslam 89....with 29 out of 32 particpants covered by our beloved game...(Tully, Red Rooster and Akeem screwed us lol) - As you can see...most of the Main Events for the time frame are well covered...especially Wrestlemania with an almost "clean sweep" until WM 15...thanks for not showing up LT lol |
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Post by mistyterrain on Feb 14, 2023 16:17:52 GMT -5
One day Tully.
An LT proxy would be fun.
Akeem.....that might never see the light of day but a Gang proxy would be nice.
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Post by Papa Chopper on Feb 14, 2023 17:06:42 GMT -5
Tully does make one think that perhaps a little love needs to be thrown to the NWA/Jim Crocket Promotions/Mid Atlantic's way hahahaha...but I think you'd want to see 4 vs 4 matches implemented to make full use of 4 person stables.
With Mallet Allen wonderfully introduced into the game....if a Jeff Jarrett equiv gets added then the numbers for the 90s will rice nicely!
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