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Post by Magnifico jr. on Aug 16, 2020 15:26:28 GMT -5
true but even as someone who has seen a multitude of toxic fan bases None of them come anywhere near the "you're not allowed to have opinions" type of toxicity that I mostly see from wrestling fans At least there aren't racist, death threaters, petitioners, etc. The RuPaul's Drag Race fandom says hi never heard of it |
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Post by Pierre The Enormous on Aug 16, 2020 15:38:09 GMT -5
The RuPaul's Drag Race fandom says hi never heard of it Long story short if you don't like a drag queen of color for any reason you're considered racist |
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Post by Arliss V. Worrell on Aug 16, 2020 16:08:57 GMT -5
Long story short if you don't like a drag queen of color for any reason you're considered racist A lot of drag queens can be a bit much. Add the TV element and I can see it getting out of hand quickly. Even the queens I've done shows with, once the lights hit, it becomes go time |
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Post by Pierre The Enormous on Aug 16, 2020 16:37:18 GMT -5
Long story short if you don't like a drag queen of color for any reason you're considered racist A lot of drag queens can be a bit much. Add the TV element and I can see it getting out of hand quickly. Even the queens I've done shows with, once the lights hit, it becomes go time Any queens from Drag Race? |
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Post by The Niz on Aug 16, 2020 16:44:09 GMT -5
Although it wasn't the main reason why I left I still find wrestling to be incredibly toxic when it comes to opinions (don't get me wrong there still are others like this but not as bad as wrestling) and it gets worse when people use mark (which feels like a wrestling equivalent of the modern day "N word") as something to prove their point or as an insult This made me chuckle. It's a bit of a reach. Whenever I see someone use the word "mark" unironically as an insult I automatically assume they are the biggest dork imaginable.
I do agree that there are certain wrestling fans that give the entire community a bad name. Mainly guys that get a little too familiar with the female wrestlers, airport stalkers, barricade jumpers or people like that weirdo that tried to kidnap Sonya Deville today.
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Post by Arliss V. Worrell on Aug 16, 2020 16:45:51 GMT -5
A lot of drag queens can be a bit much. Add the TV element and I can see it getting out of hand quickly. Even the queens I've done shows with, once the lights hit, it becomes go time Any queens from Drag Race? Oh no. I've only done amateur charity drag shows for the local H3 kennel. But even at that level, it's a lot of attitude. I can see the Fandom feeding of that |
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Post by Pierre The Enormous on Aug 16, 2020 17:17:34 GMT -5
Any queens from Drag Race? Oh no. I've only done amateur charity drag shows for the local H3 kennel. But even at that level, it's a lot of attitude. I can see the Fandom feeding of that I blame the younger fans |
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Post by Magnifico jr. on Aug 16, 2020 17:56:39 GMT -5
Long story short if you don't like a drag queen of color for any reason you're considered racist wait I thought we were talking about toxicity revolving around "you can't have an opinion" |
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Post by Magnifico jr. on Aug 16, 2020 18:00:31 GMT -5
Although it wasn't the main reason why I left I still find wrestling to be incredibly toxic when it comes to opinions (don't get me wrong there still are others like this but not as bad as wrestling) and it gets worse when people use mark (which feels like a wrestling equivalent of the modern day "N word") as something to prove their point or as an insult This made me chuckle. It's a bit of a reach. Whenever I see someone use the word "mark" unironically as an insult I automatically assume they are the biggest dork imaginable.
I do agree that there are certain wrestling fans that give the entire community a bad name. Mainly guys that get a little too familiar with the female wrestlers, airport stalkers, barricade jumpers or people like that weirdo that tried to kidnap Sonya Deville today.
just to specify but modern day "N word" I meant that it's a (fake) "word" with a multitude of meanings that people would often use in conversation |
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Post by Pierre The Enormous on Aug 16, 2020 18:09:53 GMT -5
Long story short if you don't like a drag queen of color for any reason you're considered racist wait I thought we were talking about toxicity revolving around "you can't have an opinion" That's how the drag race fandom operates |
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Post by Magnifico jr. on Aug 17, 2020 18:15:20 GMT -5
wait I thought we were talking about toxicity revolving around "you can't have an opinion" That's how the drag race fandom operates I guess but in all fairness you'd probably hear that a lot nowadays (but as I said before I don't know anything about it so I can't put my two cents in) |
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Post by Pierre The Enormous on Aug 17, 2020 18:22:06 GMT -5
That's how the drag race fandom operates I guess but in all fairness you'd probably hear that a lot nowadays (but as I said before I don't know anything about it so I can't put my two cents in) Fair point |
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Post by Dyno on Aug 18, 2020 4:59:55 GMT -5
I don't see a problem with being a mark tbh. It means you're taking the product for what it is (entertainment) and enjoying yourself without wanting to know all the backstage goings on etc.
Basically, being a fan!
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Post by Duke Mongoose on Aug 18, 2020 11:23:56 GMT -5
I don't see a problem with being a mark tbh. It means you're taking the product for what it is (entertainment) and enjoying yourself without wanting to know all the backstage goings on etc. Basically, being a fan! This guy gets it. When I go to wrestling shows (or rather, when I WENT to wrestling shows) I was always a mark. I booed the heels and cheered the faces. Even if I had to "act" I was doing my part as a fan for the show. I never wanted to be the guy who openly knew everything going on. We already had one of those around here, and he ruined the atmosphere for most of the shows he was at. |
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Post by Skullgore on Aug 18, 2020 17:27:15 GMT -5
Also, how is mark a “fake” word? How can any word be fake, especially when you have ascribed meaning to it? Language is like a living thing and we make new words and/or ascribe different meanings to word all the time. Furthermore, the etymology of the term mark is over a century old. A “mark” is a term confidence men (i.e. con artists) would use to identify the target of a scheme. Where did pro wrestling start? In carnivals. You know what two types of people had a lot of overlap between them? Carnies and con artists. They were one and the same a lot of the time. Obviously for a long time it was an insider term, but the curtain has been pulled back fully at this point.
I’m not even going to begin to touch the whole “mark is the equivalent of the N-word” business. It is *very* glib to even suggest they are anywhere near the same thing, though. I’m going to chalk it up to passive ignorance and leave it at that.
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