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Post by Kip Whistler on Oct 24, 2023 16:37:18 GMT -5
Greetings, grapple fans!
It's hard to believe, but we're just one week away from Guts & Gory! But before we get to the big event, we've got a heck of a main event in store for you tonight! The recently returned Bad Luck Bradley and Seph Kobane, collectively known as the Bad Luck Bros, have made their intentions clear that they want the JWA World Tag Team Championships. However, as a team Brad and Seph have no claim to a title match. Therefore, I decided that they would face our champions, Duke Mongoose & Penguino, in a non-title match. Should Bradley and Seph pick up a victory, they will challenge for the titles on the first Glory following the finals of the J-1 Pinnacle tournament! Obviously Duke and Penguino will want to snuff out any potential challengers, but with Penguino's mind possibly on his upcoming fight against Chad Shredsbury at Guts & Gory, and Duke's mind set on winning the costume contest next week, will the champions leave themselves open? We're about to find out!
(The polls will be open for at least 24 hours. It doesn't matter who you vote for, just that you participate!)
Next week is our annual Halloween season tradition, the Guts & Gory pay per view! The main event will feature "Relentless" Conor Caine defending the JWA World Heavyweight Championship against "The Franchise" Arizona Chance! These two have been trading interviews over the past weeks, and it would seem that perhaps Caine is a bit rattled or perhaps even trying to hide an injury. Arizona is confident, as always, but even he seems a bit concerned about our champion. Is it nerves, an injury, or perhaps mind games? We may get a better idea after these two men put pen to paper and make the match official for next week at tonight's contract signing!
Sakura Watanabe may have come up short against Daisy Turner in her attempt to win the JWA Women's World Championship, but she won't have much time to linger on that because next week at Guts & Gory she'll be facing Artemis in a Nightmare on Elm Street fight. Artemis is even going to put her AOE Hardcore Championship on the line!
In other women's action at Guts & Gory, we're going to be seeing the former Women's champion Winter Hex doing battle with her former associate and now rival Miss Jessie. An interesting wrinkle in all of this is the fact that Jessie is training with her former client Chief Buffalo, a man who by all rights was done with her after being mind controlled and used as a pawn in her game against Red Pirate Rogers. Another interesting wrinkle? It's a falls count anywhere match!
After the unexpected and vicious attack by Chad Shredsbury against Johnny Kobra, Penguino, and Penguin Kai a few weeks ago, he and Penguino are set to go one on one in a Penguin Kai Karate Fight at Guts & Gory. The "Dude of Wales" has apparently been a surf bum from California this whole time, and a jerk as well! We know that his former tag partners Pierre The Enormous and Troglo are upset, but it's Penguino who'll have the first opportunity to get revenge.
Daisy Turner will be hosting a costume contest at the pay per view with a cash prize to the winner. I don't know if I'm allowed to compete, but I know a good portion of the JWA roster is already signed up. I'll get my best Kelsey Grammer costume prepared...
Unfortunately we didn't resolve anything between "Lord" Taylor Thorin and Red Pirate Rogers last week. As a result, I imagine we haven't heard the last of this issue here on Glory.
As I mentioned before, following Guts & Gory will be the J-1 Pinnacle Tournament! Kicking off on November 7th, this event will feature all of the top stars of the JWA battling in a grueling round robin tournament. We hope to have the groups and match schedule for you fans either during or immediately following the Guts & Gory pay per view.
With all of that out of the way, let's start the show! Get out there and work your gimmick!
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Post by Bad Luck Bradley on Oct 24, 2023 17:11:33 GMT -5
The crowd is buzzing, electric. The tension is as rich as chocolate pudding. They're either going to see an old wrestler get pummelled or a wild animal is going to attack someone who lives underneath a bridge. It's gonna be a bloodbath. The crowd pops, as only a JWA crowd can. Seph and Bad Luck Bradley appear on the ramp as James Hetfield hits the opening lyric, BAD! Seph is trailing behind the leader of the Bad Luck Bros, who is storming on ahead, fist-bumping raised hands and wrapping his big palms around closed fists. He's being a real dope, if truth be told.
LeRay: It's been a long time since we've heard that song. Beeman: Did you miss it, Mick? There is a long moment that passes, after which LeRay lets out a deep chuckle. It is forced, designed to fill the spaces between words, much as a podcast will remove silences and breaths to keep the cadence of a conversation going at the expense of naturalistic dialogue. Within this laugh, the audience understand everything that is unsaid. As if to confirm, he then says:
LeRay: No. Brad makes his way into the ring. Seph is milling around, on his grey video game console. As Brad hotdogs and grandstands to the crowd, Seph is approached by a JWA official, who demands that the console be handed over. The official, an older gentleman, keeps referring to it as a "Nintendo PlayStation". Everyone under the age of forty-five cringes. Seph hands it over, ruefully.Beeman: Brad there, attempting some cryptic sign language. Is he back in the Apocalypse? LeRay: The Compound, Sean. Beeman: What's the Apocalypse? LeRay: It's another tag-team. Penguino was in it. It was a whole thing about a year ago. Beeman: Why did I get them confused? LeRay: I don't know, lots of people are doing it these days. Indeed, mid-ring, Brad is firing out some quick-fire sign language to the camera: a point at himself; a circle made by thumb and forefinger; a point straight to the camera; holding up all of his fingers and thumbs; wincing and waving his hands before blowing on them. It is deafeningly simple.
Seph leans against the apron during all this, arms folded, ignoring the jeers of the crowd. He looks up as the music ends. Brad stands mid-ring, awaiting the champs...
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Post by Duke Mongoose on Oct 24, 2023 17:37:50 GMT -5
("Fatal Charm" by Billy Idol begins to play, and as soon as it kicks up Duke Mongoose sprints down the entrance way. He grabs Seph Kobane by the ankle and pulls him to the floor, then slides into the ring and begins pummeling Bad Luck Bradley)
LeRay: Holy smokes! Mongoose is a house of fire!
Beeman: And the bell hasn't even rung yet!
LeRay: Not only that, but Penguino hasn't even made an appearance yet.
Beeman: From the looks of things, Duke may not need him!
(Referee Jack LeBiggun forces himself between Duke and Bradley. He checks to see that Bradley is capable of starting the match, then calls for the bell)
LeRay: It looks like we're starting this one without Penguino, as the official determined Bradley is okay to start this match.
Beeman: How can you tell? He's got a permanent glaze on his eyes!
LeRay: Be that as it may, this match has begun and right from the start Mongoose sends Bradley across the ring and takes him up and over with a big back body drop! Bradley was almost in the lights!
Beeman: Do it again, Duke! Launch him into SPACE!
LeRay: Seph Kobane has made his way back up to the ring apron, though his attention seems to be distracted. I sure hope he gets his head in the game, because Brad is going to need all the help he can get!
Beeman: Quiet, you! Don't give the greasy one any ideas! Duke's got this in the bag!
LeRay: And here comes Penguino, flanked by Johnny Kobra, looking somewhat perturbed that Duke has seemingly gone into business for himself.
Beeman: If the bird's smart, he won't complain. You don't argue with success.
LeRay: Mongoose sends Bradley across the ring again and once again he sends him high into the air with a back body drop!
(Penguino gets up on the ring apron as Duke struts around the ring)
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Post by Daisy Turner on Oct 24, 2023 19:44:11 GMT -5
Barracuda plays and the JWA Women's World Champion walks out with a mic in hand Daisy: Well we are just 1 week away from one of the most spookiest nights, the scariest night and the most spectacular night in the full calendar year. Guts & Gory. I mean what a show it's going to be. The World Championship match between two outright legends. Penguino and Chad and history will be made when for the first time ever. There will be 2 Women's Matches on a P4V. Artemis and Sakura Watanabe in the Nightmare on Elm Street Fight and Winter Hex vs Miss Jessie in the Falls Count Anywhere match. But I want to talk about my Halloween Costume Contest. So far these are the names that I know have signed up - Sakura Watanabe
- Artemis
- Mick LeRay
- Toni Cruise
- Omega Satyros
- Troglo
- Duke Mongoose
- Sean Beeman
- *sigh* Joel
And during Kip's announcement he mention he doesn't know if he's allowed. Well good news for everyone, your all good. I cannot wait to see the amazing Kelsey Grammer outfit. Anyways to all the potentially 6 competitors I wish you good luck and I cannot wait to see your costumes.
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Post by "The Reminiscer" Winter Hex on Oct 24, 2023 19:53:51 GMT -5
Winter: Wow. Only one week away before I can lay that plastic brat out. Y'know I can already think of more ways I can tear you apart. And for a demonstration I've hired JWA Jobber The Black Cat to play the role of Miss Jessie who I will mercilessly brutalize
Black Cat: Wait I didn't agree to th-
Winter smacks him on the face. Rams his head into the concrete wall. She throws him on the makeup table and starts throwing powders into his face. She then goes towards the ironing board, grabs the iron and presses it onto his back burning him. Referees pull Winter away and the others try to heal the burn on The Black Cat.
Winter: *While being taken away from Cat* Well Miss Jessie mark my words, resistance is futile and before the match I suggest you write yourself a will because there is no chance in hell you will defeat me
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Post by Thumper Moore III on Oct 24, 2023 22:00:25 GMT -5
Prior to the main event…
The ring is covered in black velvet and a table is brought to the ring. JWA Chairman Kip Whistler is in the ring, along with Yuppie VP, Dyno, and several other executives. Suddenly, the arena goes dark, and the unmistakeable bass riff of Hysteria by Muse begins to play. When the guitar kicks in, a single spotlight silhouettes Arizona Chance. When the lights come back on, it’s clear that Arizona is in his Sunday best for the contract signing, dressed in a tan suit, matches by his tan fedora. He is sporting a Relentless Conor Caine branded tie to complete his look.
Arizona leads the singalong to the chorus as Yuppie and Dyno roll their eyes and smile. He then grabs a microphone.
“JWA fans, what a great day to be alive and in front of you! I’ve spent a bunch of time over the last couple days watching film on Conor Caine, and I have to say, his ring IQ is off the charts. He’s never out of position, he rarely leaves an opening, he doesn’t overextend himself, and every movement is meaningful. In short, he’s the real deal.
But, there’s something I’ve seen. It’s something that makes me feel like I’m going to do something that no one else in the JWA has done. And that is to make Conor Caine— RELENT.
See, I know not just THAT I’m going to win the title at Guts and Gory, but I know HOW I’m going to win. Now, if I give it away, it doesn’t sell many pay per views, so I won’t… but what might it be? Might it be by… Fujiwara arm bar? Cross-faced chicken wing? LaBell Lock? Kimura? Anaconda Vice? Or maybe I’ll make Conor relent by the old standard, the Last Crusade? Maybe the Sedona Sunrise might make me the champ again. Or maybe, it’s something I haven’t mentioned yet?
Here’s the thing. Conor can train with the best— and he’s training with Hizo Kizuato, so he is training with the best. He can hit the gym— and he has. He’s got the best wrestling body in the business. He can do the cardio, he can train for hours and days on end, he can watch all the film on his old idol he wants— and I’m sure he’s done those things, as it’s made him one of the best champions the JWA has seen.
But he can’t train experience, and experience has led me to his weakness. You’ll see on Guts and Gory. I will make Conor Caine RELENT.“
Arizona hands the microphone to Dyno, and dramatically signs the contract on the table in front of him, when…
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Post by Daisy Turner on Oct 24, 2023 22:27:48 GMT -5
???: ああ、親愛なる戦士よ。
Sakura: はい、お父さん。
Father: あなたは私の期待を上回りました。女性スターとして、格闘家として。厳しい戦いを強いられているようだ。彼らに地獄を与えてください。彼女の哀れな魂を憐れまないでください。冷酷で、狡猾で、強くなってハゲワシを倒しましょう。あなたと戦うときに彼女が武装するかもしれないので、私はあなたを武装させなければなりません。世代から世代へと受け継がれてきたものを贈ります。そして今、あなたにそれをあげます。私からあなたへ。渡辺剣道杖。あなたの曽祖父がそれを使っていましたそれからそれは私の父に引き継がれました。すぐに私はその棒の所有者になりました。そして今、あなたはスティックの所有者になります。大切にお取り扱いください。 そしてそれを誇りを持って持ち歩きましょう。
Sakura: はい、お父さん、私はあなたを失望させません。
Father: 私の娘はもうすっかり大きくなりました。
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Post by Bad Luck Bradley on Oct 25, 2023 0:31:53 GMT -5
Brad is disoriented, dazzled, dumbstruck. As Duke struts around, Brad stumbles to his feet, punch-drunk. Duke sees this, let's out a vicious honk of laughter, one that is echoed by the cackling Penguino. It is a sound that would curdle the very blood in your veins, friends.
As Brad holds his poor aching coccyx, he reaches out to Seph, who is aloof in his corner. Before he can get even within a handful of feet of his fellow Bad Luck Bro, Duke has him by the tights, pulls him back (exposing a portion of Brad's lily-white backside in the process) and whips him into a big old German suplex.
Beeman: We sometimes forget how strong Duke is. That was effortless! LeRay: Despite his nomenclature, the man has pythons, Sean. A tyrannosaurus has tiny little arms. What's the opposite of that? Beeman: Um... A gorilla? They have big arms. LeRay: Do mongeese have big arms? Beeman: This one does.
Brad is thrown through the air, lands on his shoulder blades and the momentum throws him to his feet. There, he teeters, wavers, and finally falls forward, his hand hitting the hot tag to-
Penguino. Duke had Germaned Brad into the corner with Penguino in it.
With rehearsed grace, the evil bird rolls into the ring and stands face to face against... Duke?
Beeman: What? LeRay: Who's the legal man? Beeman: I mean, it has to be Duke still, surely. Brad can't tag in someone who isn't his partner!
Both Mongoose and Penguin turn slowly towards Brad, who is on the apron, disorientated and catching his breath, unaware of the danger right behind him.
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Post by Omega Satyros on Oct 25, 2023 5:35:26 GMT -5
Toni: Ladies and Gentlemen, my guest at this time, Diablo.
Diablo: Nice to talk Toni. I assume you have some questions.
Toni: Yeah, first off, are you planning on joining in the Costume Contest?
Diablo: I'll probably be there, but I'm not planning on joining the contest itself.
Toni: And how's Omega doing?
Diablo: He's been good. He's probably at Killie's right now, watching the show.
Toni: Why isn't he here?
Diablo: He doesn't have a match scheduled, and he's luckily taken my advice to have a few rest days during his J-1 training.
Toni: That's good, is there any chance you step back in the ring soon?
Diablo: My focus is on managing Omega and the Power Station.
Toni: Well, wish Omega luck for me.
Diablo: Will do.
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Post by Artemis on Oct 25, 2023 5:42:45 GMT -5
Barracuda plays and the JWA Women's World Champion walks out with a mic in hand Daisy: Well we are just 1 week away from one of the most spookiest nights, the scariest night and the most spectacular night in the full calendar year. Guts & Gory. I mean what a show it's going to be. The World Championship match between two outright legends. Penguino and Chad and history will be made when for the first time ever. There will be 2 Women's Matches on a P4V. Artemis and Sakura Watanabe in the Nightmare on Elm Street Fight and Winter Hex vs Miss Jessie in the Falls Count Anywhere match. But I want to talk about my Halloween Costume Contest. So far these are the names that I know have signed up - Sakura Watanabe
- Artemis
- Mick LeRay
- Toni Cruise
- *sigh* Joel
And during Kip's announcement he mention he doesn't know if he's allowed. Well good news for everyone, your all good. I cannot wait to see the amazing Kelsey Grammer outfit. Anyways to all the potentially 6 competitors I wish you good luck and I cannot wait to see your costumes.
Artemis walks out, I Love the Night announcing her arrival.Artemis: Have I seen a different list than you? I saw Omega, Troglo, and Duke Mongoose on the sign-up sheet when I checked. If I didn't know any better, I'd think you and Sakura were trying to rig the contest so you could split that prize money. Beeman: I also signed up, easy chance at money if the creativity of Omega is what I'm up against. LeRay: Shush Beeman. Artemis: Either that or you just aren't paying attention to your own contest. No that isn't it. Either way, I've already got my costume in order, and it'll leave the competition petrified. And then I'll beat Sakura so bad in that Nightmare on Elm Street fight so bad she'll run back to Japan never to return.
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Post by Duke Mongoose on Oct 25, 2023 6:32:50 GMT -5
(Duke chops Brad across the top of his shoulder blades while Penguino simultaneously lays a flipper across his lower back. Bradley leaps into the air does a 180 degree turn on the apron, now facing his opponents)
LeRay: The look of terror in Bradley's eyes makes me think he was certain that he had tagged in Kobane and that he was safe.
Beeman: What a buffoon!
LeRay: Duke grabs Bradley in a front facelock as Penguino is ascending to the top of the nearest turnbuckle. Duke hoists Bradley up into a vertical suplex and now Penguino comes off the ropes with a cross body! What an impact! Penguino with the cover, but Bradley manages to get a shoulder off the mat at two!
Beeman: Seph Kobane didn't even bat an eye at the fact that his partner nearly got beat. Are we sure these guys are friends?
LeRay: Duke and Penguino aren't friends, and yet they're the tag team champions.
Beeman: Fair point.
LeRay: Bad Luck Bradley is now all alone in the ring with Penguino.
Beeman: May God have mercy on his soul...
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Post by Daisy Turner on Oct 25, 2023 6:47:21 GMT -5
Barracuda plays and the JWA Women's World Champion walks out with a mic in hand Daisy: Well we are just 1 week away from one of the most spookiest nights, the scariest night and the most spectacular night in the full calendar year. Guts & Gory. I mean what a show it's going to be. The World Championship match between two outright legends. Penguino and Chad and history will be made when for the first time ever. There will be 2 Women's Matches on a P4V. Artemis and Sakura Watanabe in the Nightmare on Elm Street Fight and Winter Hex vs Miss Jessie in the Falls Count Anywhere match. But I want to talk about my Halloween Costume Contest. So far these are the names that I know have signed up - Sakura Watanabe
- Artemis
- Mick LeRay
- Toni Cruise
- *sigh* Joel
And during Kip's announcement he mention he doesn't know if he's allowed. Well good news for everyone, your all good. I cannot wait to see the amazing Kelsey Grammer outfit. Anyways to all the potentially 6 competitors I wish you good luck and I cannot wait to see your costumes.
Artemis walks out, I Love the Night announcing her arrival.Artemis: Have I seen a different list than you? I saw Omega, Troglo, and Duke Mongoose on the sign-up sheet when I checked. If I didn't know any better, I'd think you and Sakura were trying to rig the contest so you could split that prize money. Beeman: I also signed up, easy chance at money if the creativity of Omega is what I'm up against. LeRay: Shush Beeman. Artemis: Either that or you just aren't paying attention to your own contest. No that isn't it. Either way, I've already got my costume in order, and it'll leave the competition petrified. And then I'll beat Sakura so bad in that Nightmare on Elm Street fight so bad she'll run back to Japan never to return. OOC: Whoops my bad. I'm pretty sure I wrote that half awake anyways fixed it
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Post by “The Relentless” Conor Caine on Oct 25, 2023 7:59:31 GMT -5
Prior to the main event…Arizona hands the microphone to Dyno, and dramatically signs the contract on the table in front of him, when… ..."Vonnegut Busy" hits the sound system and the audience jump to their feet. Conor Caine walks through the curtain and looks around at the fans, he beats his chest in solidarity with them and as he goes to raise the JWA title over his head he stops, switches it from his right hand to his left and then proceeds to hold the belt high.LeRay: As Conor climbs the ringsteps, Arizona holds the ropes open for the champion: A kind gesture or another mind game? Beeman: I don't know who the bigger idiot is here: Conor Caine, who's a long-proven moron, or Arizona Chance for trying to outfox a braindead thug! Caine steps sheepishly through the ropes, avoiding eye contact with Chance as he passes by. He goes to the table, leans over and quickly signs the document. As he stands upright again, Chance is already there with his hand outstretched. Conor, eyes to the floor, takes Chance's hand and they shake. Chance looks around smiling and goes to leave, but Conor holds him firm; his eyes still looking down, he holds his free hand out to Dyno, who hands him the mic. Conor speaks while still keeping his head down.Caine: I want to start by thanking you for the kind words, Arizona. To receive such compliments from the greatest mind in the business means more than words can say. And you're right: I can never hope to match your experience, even if I had two careers to do it in. You've defeated the greatest legends in this business when they were in their prime, and you've forgotten more moves that I'll ever learn. You have every right to feel confident about winning this title next week, and that's how I was hoping you'd be feeling here tonight... because I figured out a while ago that experience is your greatest strength... but confidence is your greatest weakness. Caine finally brings his gaze up to meet Arizona's and "The Relentless One" of old is clearly in the driving seat: his eyes locked firmly on Chance's; his expression stern and unintimidated. The officials in the ring look around suspiciously, but Arizona gives nothing away - his expression steels...Caine: You're out here leading singalongs, rocking my merch, and cracking jokes like you've things all figured out - as you always do. But if you're thinking that winning this title is going to come down to what you know and how to exploit it, I have some news for you... My arm's not the issue.As if to prove his point, Caine suddenly plants his feet and with his right arm yanks Arizona towards him with all the power as if Chance was charging off the ropes!LeRay: RAISING CAINE!!! A short-arm Raising Caine! I've never seen him use that variation before and, Sean, did you see the power behind it?! Beeman: I couldn't miss it! He dragged Arizona towards him like he weighed nothing at all, and now The Franchise is out cold on the mat! LeRay: It was all a ruse! Conor's arm isn't injured like we'd suspected! In fact, it looks stronger than ever! If Arizona Chance has based his strategy for next week's title match on exploiting an injured arm, he might be going into Guts & Gory completely unprepared! Caine stands back up from delivering the move and, with a glare, freezes the scrambling officials to the spot. He stands over Arizona, who lies motionless and raises the mic to his lips...Caine: There's only one thing that this title match is going to come down to, A.Z. and that's grit: which dog has less quit in him. Just like you can't gain experience from watching tape, you can't develop grit without experiencing hardship. You have all the confidence of a man who's come a long way from hard times: sitting in your palace, surrounded by your accolades, and dancing around with your wife like you're on easy street. Let me tell you something, Arizona, life has been kicking me down from day one and I've done nothing but get back up and spit in it's face. I'm feeling pretty sure that I got no quit in me... what about you? Arizona doesn't answer but he beings to stir as Caine climbs out of the ring and makes his way to the curtain, where he triumphantly raises the JWA title with his right hand.LeRay: I think the tide of this title match has changed in a huge way! Beeman: I don't know if you were counting, Mick, but that short-arm Raising Caine had Arizona out cold for a lot longer than a three count. If Conor gets one of those in during the match next week, Arizona Chance can kiss his third title reign goodbye!
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Post by Bad Luck Bradley on Oct 25, 2023 10:08:27 GMT -5
Brad is reaching out for Seph, crawling, straining, dragging himself towards his grungy partner. Alas, Seph is not merely ignoring the Bad Luck Wrestler, but is actively finding more interest in his fingernails than his fellow Bad Luck Bro. Penguino takes the opportunity and waddles over to Brad, rolling him onto his back and spattering his chest and face with vicious strikes of his razor sharp flippers.
Beeman: Penguins can reach a speed of 9 kilometers per hour underwater, so you'd best believe those slaps are not only hurting Brad, but can possibly cause serious damage to him! LeRay: what's 9 kilometers in miles? Beeman: I do not believe in imperialism, my man... But it's something like 5 and a half miles. LeRay: terrifying. This beastie is going to kill someone these days. Beeman: we might well witness it now!
Penguino wrenches brad up and Irish whips him into the corner, following it with a barbaric shoulder press. Duke tags himself in and the pair wail on the Bad Luck Wrestler. Another tag, a double attack, another tag, a double attack.
Beeman: It's a revolving door of wrestlers!
Finally it's Duke's turn to really give Brad what for. He hooks Brad's arms around the ropes and exposes his chest. A meaty hand clubs down. The crack is cacophonous. A second slap and the crowd wince. Some count along. By the time it has reached double figures, Brad's chest is red and raw.
LeRay: talk about a hot ten!
Duke steps back and Brad flops forward, his body prone, wracked and heaving with pain.
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Post by Duke Mongoose on Oct 25, 2023 10:31:16 GMT -5
(Duke pulls a semi-lifeless Brad up off the mat and sets him into piledriver position. Duke turns his attention to Kobane on the ring apron)
Duke: Hey greaseball! I'm about to kill your partner! The least you can do is call his grandmother for him!
Beeman: That was nice of Duke, making sure someone notifies Bradley's family of his untimely passing.
LeRay: Would you stop?!?!
(Duke drives Bradley head first into the mat with a jumping piledriver, then goes for a cover)
*One...Two......Kickout*
LeRay: Miraculously Brad stays in the match!
Beeman: He's going to regret it once the penguin gets back in the ring!
LeRay: Kobane remains uninterested on the apron, which begs the question - why did he agree to team with Bradley in the first place?
Beeman: Who says he did?
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